Question 12
QUESTIONER: YOU COMPARE RAMAN WITH BUDDHA WHO HAPPENED IN THE DISTANT PAST. WHY NOT COMPARE HIM WITH KRISHNAMURTI WHO IS SO CLOSE BY?
The question of being close or distant does not arise. Krishnamurti is exactly like Raman. I compare Arvind with Raman and Buddha for a special reason. In the experience of truth, Krishnamurti is very much like Raman, but he lags behind Arvind in knowledgeability. Of course, he is more articulate and logical than Raman. And there is a great difference between Krishnamurti and Arvind in so far as the use of logic and reason is concerned.
Arvind uses logic to reinforce his arguments; Krishnamurti uses logic to destroy logic; he makes full use of reason in order to lead you beyond reason. But he is not much knowledgeable. That is why I chose Buddha as an example; he compares well with Arvind in knowledge and with Raman in self-knowledge. As far as Krishnamurti is concerned, he is like Raman in transcendental experience, but he is not scholarly like Arvind.
There is yet another difference between Raman and Krishnamurti. While Raman's statements are very brief, Krishnamurti's statements are voluminous. But in spite of their large volume, Krishnamurti's teachings can be condensed in a brief statement. For forty years Krishnamurti has been repeating the same thing over and over again. His statements can be condensed to a postcard. But because he uses reason in his statements, they grow in volume. Raman is precise and brief; he avoids volume. You can say that the statements of both Krishnamurti and Raman are atomic, but while Krishnamurti embellishes them with arguments, Raman does not. Raman speaks, like the seers of the Upanishads, in aphorisms. The Upanishads just proclaim: the brahman, the supreme is; they don't bother to advance any argument in their support. They make bare statements that, "It is so" and "It is not so." Raman can be compared with the Upanishadic rishis.
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Chapter 14
- Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 1
Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 1, YOU SAY THAT ON KRISHNA'S PATH SELF-REMEMBERING IS ENOUGH; IT DOES NOT LEAVE ROOM FOR ANY OTHER SPIRITUAL DISCIPLINE. BUT SINCE YOU ALSO SPEAK ABOUT DISCIPLINING THE SEVEN BODIES, CAN YOU GIVE US A BRIEF SKETCH OF KRISHNA'S DISCIPLINE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SEVEN BODIES? at energyenhancement.org
- Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 2
Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 2, WE ARE GRATEFUL TO YOU FOR YOUR SUPERB EXPOSITION OF ACTION, INACTION AND NON-ACTION. YOU HAD EXPLAINED TO THE FOREIGN DISCIPLES OF MAHESH YOGI WHEN THEY MET YOU IN KASHMIR LAST YEAR ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF INACTION IN ACHIEVING SELF-KNOWLEDGE, AND WE HAVE NOW NO CONFUSION ABOUT IT. BUT SOME CONFUSION SURELY ARISES FROM KRISHNA'S EXPOSITION OF INACTION IN THE GEETA. HE EMPHASIZES THE IMPORTANCE OF INACTION, BUT IT SEEMS TO BE CONFUSING, BECAUSE IT HAS MORE THAN ONE MEANING. HE SAYS THAT A YOGI IS ONE WHO, HAVING ACTED DOES NOT THINK HE HAS ACTED, AND A SANNYASIN IS ONE WHO DOES NOT ACT AND YET ACTION HAPPENS. THERE IS YET ANOTHER SIDE TO THIS QUESTION WHICH SEEMS IMPORTANT. SHANKARACHARYA SAYS IN HIS COMMENTARIES ON THE GEETA, THAT A WISE MAN DOES NOT NEED TO ACT, BECAUSE ACTION BELONGS TO THE DOER. AND YOU SAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO ACT, BECAUSE ACTION HAPPENS ON ITS OWN. BUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO ARJUNA'S INDIVIDUALITY IF HE CONSENTS TO BE JUST AN INSTRUMENT IN THE HANDS OF EXISTENCE? at energyenhancement.org
- Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 3
Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 3, IT IS SAID THAT SHANKARA'S MAYIC WORLD, ILLUSORY WORLD, REALLY MEANS A CHANGING WORLD, NOT A FALSE ONE. WHAT DO YOU SAY? at energyenhancement.org
- Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 4
Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 4, IS IT A KIND OF COMPROMISE ON THE PART OF SHANKARA WHEN HE SAYS THAT MAYA IS INEXPRESSIBLE? at energyenhancement.org
- Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 5
Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 5, NOW YOU SAY THAT HESITATION IS GOOD. EARLIER YOU SAID THAT INDECISIVENESS IS DESTRUCTIVE AND THAT ONE MUST KNOW CLEARLY WHERE HE STANDS at energyenhancement.org
- Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 6
Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 6, YOU SAY THAT SHANKARA'S COMMENTARY ON THE GEETA IS INCOMPLETE. THERE ARE DOZENS OF COMMENTARIES ON THE GEETA. CAN YOU SAY IF ANY ONE OF THEM IS COMPLETE? DO YOU THINK LOKMANYA TILAK'S INTERPRETATION IS COMPLETE? AT LEAST IT DOES NOT TAKE AN ESCAPIST VIEW OF LIFE; IT IS ACTIVIST AND MORALISTIC. OR ARE YOU TRYING TO SYNTHESIZE TILAK'S ACTIVISM WITH SHANKARA'S SUPRA-MORALISM? at energyenhancement.org
- Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 7
Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 7, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU ARE SAYING RIGHT NOW? at energyenhancement.org
- Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 8
Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 8, AND WHAT IS THE OTHER THING? at energyenhancement.org
- Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 9
Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 9, A PART OF MY QUESTION REMAINS UNANSWERED. DO YOU THINK THE GEETA WILL BE COMPLETE IF SHANKARA'S SUPRA-MORALISM AND TILAK'S ACTIVISM ARE MADE INTO ONE PIECE? BECAUSE THE SUPRA-RATIONALITY THAT YOU SPEAK ABOUT IS ECHOED BY SHANKARA, NOT TILAK; THE LATTER IS OUT AND OUT A MORALIST. ON THE OTHER HAND TILAK, NOT SHANKARA ECHOES YOUR POSITIVISM, YOUR DYNAMISM. SHANKARA IS FOR RENUNCIATION at energyenhancement.org
- Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 10
Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 10, DO YOU BECOME KRISHNA HIMSELF WHEN YOU SPEAK ABOUT HIM? at energyenhancement.org
- Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 11
Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 11, SHREE ARVIND HAS WRITTEN A COMMENTARY ON THE GEETA IN WHICH HE TALKS ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CREATION AND ITS PERCEPTION. FROM ONE POINT OF VIEW IT IS REALITY THAT IS IMPORTANT, AND FROM ANOTHER ITS PERCEPTION IS IMPORTANT. IN HIS CONCEPT OF THE SUPRAMENTAL HE BELIEVES THAT DIVINE CONSCIOUSNESS IS GOING TO DESCEND ON THIS EARTH, BUT THIS CONCEPT OF HIS SEEMS TO BE DUALISTIC. WHAT DO YOU SAY? AND DO YOU THINK THAT RAMAN MAHARSHI'S CONCEPT OF AJATVAD, OF UNBORN REALITY, IS CLOSER TO YOU AND TO CHAITANYA'S CONCEPT OF ACHINTYA BHEDABHEDVAD, OR UNTHINKABLE DUALISTIC NON-DUALISM? AND CAN YOU SHED SOME LIGHT ON THE EPISODE OF ARVIND SEEING KRISHNA'S VISIONS? at energyenhancement.org
- Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 12
Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 12, YOU COMPARE RAMAN WITH BUDDHA WHO HAPPENED IN THE DISTANT PAST. WHY NOT COMPARE HIM WITH KRISHNAMURTI WHO IS SO CLOSE BY? at energyenhancement.org
- Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 13
Krishna, Krishna: The Man and His Philosophy Chapter 14: Action, Inaction and Non-Action, Question 13, PLEASE TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT RAMAN'S AJATVAD OR THE PRINCIPLE OF NO-BIRTH at energyenhancement.org
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