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VIGYAN BHAIRAV TANTRA VOL2
Liberation from yourself

VIGYAN BHAIRAV TANTRA VOL2
Liberation from yourself
YOU 
	SAY THAT RELIGION IS TOTAL FREEDOM OR MOKSHA, AND YOU ALSO STRESS THE 
	IMPORTANCE OF SURRENDER IN RELIGION. BUT ARE NOT FREEDOM AND SURRENDER 
	CONTRADICTORY IN TERMS? 
	
	  

	They appear contradictory but they are not. And they  appear so because  of 
	the language; existentially they are not. Try to understand two things. 
	First: you cannot be free remaining as you are, because as you are is your 
	bondage. Your ego  i s the bondage. You can be free only when this ego point 
	disappears -- this ego point is the bondage. 
	
	 When there is no ego, you become one with existence, and only that oneness 
	can be freedom. While you exist separate, this separation is false. Really, 
	you are not  separate; you cannot be. You are part of existence -- and not a 
	mechanical part, but an organic part. You cannot exist for a single moment 
	separated from existence. You breathe it every moment; it breathes you every 
	moment. You live in a cosmic whole. 
	
	 Your ego gives you a false feeling of separate existence. Because of that 
	false feeling, you start fighting existence. When you fight you are in 
	bondage. When you fight you are bound to be defeated, because the part 
	cannot win against the whole. And because of this fight with the whole, you 
	feel in bondage; everywhere limited. Wherever you move, a wall comes. That 
	wall is nowhere in existence -- it moves with your ego, it is part of your 
	separate feeling. Then you struggle against existence. In that struggle you 
	will be defeated constantly; in that defeat you feel bondage, limitation.
	
	
	 By surrender it is meant that you surrender the ego, you surrender the 
	separating wall, you become one. That is reality, so whatsoever you are 
	surrendering is just a dream, a concept, a false notion. You are not 
	surrendering reality; you are just surrendering a false attitude. The moment 
	you surrender this false attitude you become one with existence. Then there 
	is no conflict. 
	
	 And if there is  no conflict you have no limitation; nowhere there comes a 
	bondage, a boundary. You are not separate. You cannot be defeated, because 
	there is no one to be defeated. You cannot die, because there is no  one to 
	die. You cannot be in misery, because there is no one to be in misery. The 
	moment you surrender the ego, the whole nonsense is surrendered -- misery, 
	bondage, dukkha, hell -- everything is surrendered. You become one with  
	existence. This oneness is freedom. 
	
	 Separation is bondage. Oneness is freedom Not that you become free, 
	remember this -- you are no more. So it is not that you become free -- you 
	are no more. Really, when you are not, freedom is. How  to express it is a 
	problem. When you are not, freedom is. Buddha is reported to have said, `You 
	are not going to be in bliss. When you are not, the bliss is. You are not 
	going to be liberated. You are going to be liberated from yourself.' 
	
	 So freedom is not freedom of the ego. Freedom is freedom from the ego. And 
	if you can understand this -- that freedom is freedom from the ego -- then 
	surrender and freedom become one, then they mean one. But  if you take the 
	ego as the standpoint from which to think, then the ego will say, `Why 
	surrender? -- because if you surrender, then you cannot be free. Then you 
	become a slave. When you surrender, you become a slave.' 
	
	 But really, you are not surrendering to someone. This is the second point 
	to be understood: you are not surrendering to someone; you are simply 
	surrendering. There is no one who will take your surrender. If there is 
	someone and you surrender to him, then it is a sort of slavery. Really, 
	there is not even a god to whom you are surrendering. And when we talk 
	about  a god, that is just to find you something to help you to surrender.
	
	
	 In Patanjali's 1Yoga Sutras', God is talked about just to help you to 
	surrender. There is no God. Patanjali says there is no God, but it will be 
	difficult for you to surrender to one ; it will be difficult for you to 
	simply surrender. To help surrender, God is talked about. So God is just a 
	method. This is rare, very scientific -- God is just a method to help you 
	surrender. There is no one who is going to take your surrender. If there is 
	someone and you surrender, then it is a slavery, a bondage. This is a very 
	subtle and deep point: there is no God as a person; God is just a way, a 
	method, a technique. 
	
	 Patanjali relates many techniques. One of them is ISHWARA PRANIDHAN -- the 
	idea  of God. There are many methods to reach the surrender; one method is 
	the idea of God. That will help your mind to surrender, because if I say, 
	`Surrender,' you will ask, `To whom?' If I say, `Simply surrender,' it will 
	be difficult for you to conceive. Try to understand in a different way. If I 
	say to you, `Simply love,' you will ask, `Whom? What do you mean by "simply 
	love"? If there is no one to be loved, how to love?' If I say, `Pray,' then 
	you will ask, `To whom? Worship to whom?' Your mind cannot conceive 
	non-duality. It will ask, it will raise a question, `To whom?' 
	
	 Just to help your mind, so that the mind's question is satisfied, Patanjali 
	says that God is just a way, a technique. Worship, love, surrender -- to 
	whom? Patanjali says, `To God.' Because if you surrender, then you will come 
	to know that there is no God -- or you yourself are that to which you have 
	surrendered. But this will happen when you have surrendered. God is just a 
	trick. 
	
	 It is said that even to surrender to a god who is nowhere seen, who is 
	invisible, is difficult, so scriptures say, `Surrender to the guru, to the 
	master.' The master is visible and a person, so then the question becomes 
	relevant -- if you surrender to a master then it is a slavery, because a 
	person is there and you are surrendering to him. But then too you will have 
	to understand again a very subtle point -- even more subtle than the notion 
	o God. A master is a master only when he is not. If he is, then he is not a 
	master. A master becomes a master only when he is not. He has achieved 
	non-being; there is no one. 
	
	 If someone is sitting here in this chair, then there is no master; then it 
	is going to become a slavery. But if there is no one sitting in this chair, 
	a non-being, one who is not centered anywhere, one who has surrendered -- 
	not to anyone, but simply surrendered and achieved non-being, has become a 
	non-person -- who is simply there, not concentrated in an ego, diffused, not 
	concentrated anywhere, then he can become a master. So when you are 
	surrendering to a master, again you are surrendering to nobody. 
	
	 This is a deep question for you. When you are surrendering, if you can 
	understand that this is simply surrendering, not a surrender -- 
	surrendering, not a surrender.... A surrender is  to someone. A surrendering 
	is something on your part. So the basic thing is surrendering -- the act, 
	not the object. The object should not be important, but the one who is 
	surrendering is important. The object is just an excuse -- just an excuse.
	
	
	 If you can understand, then there is no need to surrender to anyone -- you 
	can simply surrender. Then there is no need to love someone -- you can 
	simply love. You are significant, not the object. If the object is 
	significant, you will create a bondage out of it. So even a god who is not, 
	will become a bondage; even a master who is not, will become a bondage. But 
	that bondage is created by you; it is a misunderstanding. Otherwise 
	surrendering is freedom They are not contradictory. 
	
	 Question 2 
	
	 WHILE `THIS IS THIS' ALSO INCLUDES `THIS IS THAT,' AND `THAT IS BRAHMA,' 
	HOW IS IT THAT THE SUTRA EMPHASIZES ONLY `THIS IS THIS'? 
	
	  
	
	 For a very particular reason -- because tantra, deep down, is interested 
	only in the here and now. THIS IS THIS means that which is here and now. 
	THAT goes a little further away. 
	
	 Secondly, for tantra there is no division between this and that. Tantra is 
	non-dualistic. This is the world, and that is Brahma. This is the mundane, 
	the material, and that is consciousness, the spiritual. For tantra there is 
	no distinction like this. THIS is all -- THAT is included in it. This very 
	world is divine. 
	
	 And tantra makes no distinction and no categorization of higher and lower: 
	THIS means the lower, and THAT means the higher; THIS means that which you 
	can see and touch and know, and THAT means the invisible that you cannot see 
	and cannot touch, you can only infer. For tantra there is no distinction of 
	higher and lower, of visible and invisible, of matter and mind, of life and 
	death, of world and Brahma -- no distinction. 
	
	 Tantra says THIS IS THIS, and THAT is included in it. But the emphasis on 
	THIS is beautiful. It says here and now, whatsoever is, this is all.  And 
	everything is in it; nothing is excluded. The near, the intimate, the 
	ordinary, is all. 
 
	
	 It is a very well known saying of Zen mysticism that if you can become just 
	ordinary, you have become extraordinary. Only the person who is at ease with 
	his ordinariness is extraordinary. Because everyone hankers to be 
	extraordinary, so the desire to be extraordinary is very ordinary. Everyone 
	-- you cannot find a person who is not trying to be extraordinary in some 
	way, so the desire, the lust to be extraordinary, is a part, a basic part of 
	the ordinary mind. Zen masters say, `So to be ordinary is the most 
	extraordinary thing in the world. To be just ordinary. It is rare.  Very 
	rarely it happens that someone is simply ordinary. 
	
	 One Japanese emperor was in search of a master, so he went from one teacher 
	to another, but no one could satisfy him, because one old man had said that 
	the real master would be most ordinary. He went on searching, but he 
	couldn't find an ordinary man. He came back to the old man who was just on 
	his dying bed, and he said, `You have put me to great trouble. The way you 
	defined the master -- that he will be simple, ordinary -- has become a 
	problem for me. I have been searching all over the country, and no one 
	satisfies me. So give me some clue how to find the master.' 
	
	 The dying man said, `You have been searching in wrong places. You have been 
	searching in wrong places! You have been  going to persons who are in some 
	way extraordinary, and then you try to find the ordinary. Move in the 
	ordinary world. And really you are still trying to find the extraordinary. 
	Now you define him as ordinary, but you are still searching for the 
	extra-ordinary. Now the definition has changed. Now you define him as the 
	most ordinary, but the rare, the exceptional. You are still in this search. 
	Don't do that, and the moment you are ready and not searching in this way, 
	the master will come to you. 
	
	 The next morning while he was sitting, he tried to understand what the old 
	man had said, and he felt that he was right. The desire left him. A beggar 
	appeared -- and he was the master.  And he had known that beggar his whole 
	life. He was always coming, that beggar was coming daily to the palace, so 
	the emperor asked the beggar, `How did it happen that I couldn't recognize 
	you before?' 
	
	 The beggar said, `Because you were searching for the extra-ordinary. I was 
	here, but you were searching THERE. You missed me continuously.' 
	
	 Tantra says THIS not THAT, particularly in this technique. There are 
	techniques in which THAT is discussed, but THIS is most tantric -- this, 
	here and now, the most intimate. Your wife, your husband, THIS, your friend, 
	the beggar, may be the master. But you are not looking at THIS; you are 
	looking at THAT, there, somewhere in the clouds. You cannot even conceive 
	that near you can be that quality of being. You cannot conceive; because you 
	think you already know the near, so you search for it far away. You already 
	feel that you know THIS, so now the only thing to be found is THAT. 
	
	 This is not true. You don't know THIS, you don't know the near. The near is 
	as unknown as the far away. Have a look around you. You are not acquainted 
	with anybody. You don't have any knowledge of anybody. Do you know the tree 
	you pass every day? Do you know your friend with whom you have lived your 
	whole life? Or do you know yourself, who is the nearest? Do you know your 
	body, the breath that comes and goes continuously? Do you know it? Nothing 
	is known. Even THIS is not known, so why hanker after THAT? 
	
	 This technique says, if THIS is known, THAT will be known automatically, 
	because THAT is implied in THIS. The far away is hidden in the near, in the 
	intimate. But the human mind hankers for the far away. This is an escape. It 
	is an escape to think of the far away, because then you can go on thinking 
	forever, and you can go on postponing the living, because life is THIS. If 
	you think about it and if you contemplate about it, you will have to change 
	yourself. 
	
	 I am reminded of one anecdote. Once it happened, a Zen master was appointed 
	as a preacher in a temple. No one knew that he was a Zen master. The 
	congregation gathered and the first sermon was delivered. Everyone was 
	thrilled; it was just beautiful. No one had heard such a thing before. The 
	next day an even greater crowd came to the temple, but the master repeated 
	the same sermon. So they got bored -- `What type of man is he?' 
	
	 Then on the third day they came again, not in so great a number, but the 
	master repeated the same sermon again. So many left just in the middle; only 
	very few were left, and those few were there only to ask. `Have you got only 
	one sermon? And are you going to deliver it every day?' One spokesman 
	blurted out and asked the priest, `What type of preaching is this? Thrice we 
	have heard you, and you go on repeating exactly the same thing, in exactly 
	the same words. Don't you have any other lectures, any other sermons?' 
	
	 The priest said,`I have quite a few, but you have not done anything about 
	the first one. Unless you do something about the first one, I am not going 
	to deliver the second. It is unnecessary.' 
	
	 The crowd stopped coming. No one would come near the temple, because the 
	moment anyone would come, the Zen priest would start the first sermon. It is 
	said that people stopped passing that way, that temple -- `That priest is 
	there, and if you happen to be there he will give you the same sermon 
	again.' 
	
	 He must have been a very deep  knower of the human mind. The human mind 
	wants to think but never wants to do anything -- action is dangerous. 
	Thinking is good, because you go on being the same. If you think about the 
	far away, the distant, there is no need to change yourself. The Brahma, the 
	absolute, cannot change you, but the neighbor, the friend, the wife, the 
	husband -- if you look at them, you will have to change yourself. And it is 
	a trick not to look at them. 
	
	 You look at the THAT to forget the THIS -- and THIS is the life, and THAT 
	is simply a dream. You can think about God, because that thinking is 
	impotent; it is not going to do anything. You will continue thinking about 
	God and you will remain the same. This is a trick to remain the same. If you 
	think about your wife, if you think about your child, if you penetrate deep 
	in the intimate near, you cannot remain the same -- action will come out of 
	it. 
	
	 Tantra says, `Don't go far away. He is here, this very moment, just near 
	you. Be open, and look at the THIS, and the THAT will take care of itself.'
	
	
	 Question 3 
	
	 YOU HAVE SAID THAT TANTRA TEACHES MAN TO TRANSCEND BOTH HIS CRAVING FOR HIS 
	ANIMALISTIC PAST, AND ALSO HIS CRAVING FOR THE DIVINE. DOES IT MEAN THAT 
	DIVINITY IS PART OF THE WORLD, AND THAT TOO HAS TO BE TRANSCENDED? AND WHAT 
	IS IT THAT GOES BEYOND BOTH? 
	
	  
	
	 You will have to understand many things. First: the nature of desire. 
	Divinity is not what you call it. The god that you talk about is not the god 
	of reality; it is the god of your desire. So it is not a question of whether 
	the divine is part of the world. That is not the question. The real question 
	is, can you desire the divine without making him part of the world? 
	
	 Look at it in this way. It has been said again and again that unless you 
	leave desiring, you cannot attain to him, the ultimate. You cannot attain to 
	the divine if you don't leave desiring. Leave desiring and you can attain to 
	him. You have heard it many times, but I wonder whether you understand it or 
	not. More or less, you will be misunderstanding it. Hearing this, you start 
	desiring the divine -- and that is to miss the whole point. 
	
	 If you leave desiring, the divine will happen to you. Then you start 
	desiring the divine, so your divine will be part of the world. That which 
	can be desired is the world. This is how I define it: that which can be 
	desired is the world. So the divine cannot be desired, and if you desire it, 
	it has become part of the world. 
	
	 When desiring stops, the divine happens. When you are not desiring 
	anything, the divine is there -- then the whole world is divine. You will 
	not find the divine somewhere in contradiction, in opposition to the world 
	-- contrary to the world. When you are not desiring, everything is divine; 
	when you are desiring, everything is the world. Your desiring creates the 
	world: whatsoever you desire becomes the world. This is not the world that 
	you see -- the trees, and the sky, and the sea, and the rivers, and the 
	earth, and the stars. This is not the world -- that which you desire is the 
	world. 
	
	 A flower is there in the garden. The moment you pass the tree, and you look 
	at the flower, and the smell of the flower comes to you, look within. If you 
	are not desiring that flower, if there is not even a slight urge to possess 
	it, not even a slight ripple of desire to have it, that flower becomes 
	divine. You will have the divine face through it. But if the desire is there 
	to possess it, or a jealousy arises about the owner of the tree, you have 
	created a world; the divine has disappeared. It is your desire that changes 
	the quality of existence; your desire makes it the world. When you are 
	non-desiring, the whole world becomes divine. 
	
	 Now I will read this question again. YOU HAVE SAID THAT TANTRA TEACHES MAN 
	TO TRANSCEND BOTH HIS CRAVING FOR HIS ANIMALISTIC PAST, AND ALSO HIS CRAVING 
	FOR THE DIVINE. 
	
	 Tantra teaches only to transcend craving. It is irrelevant what you crave 
	-- that you crave is the point. You can go on changing the objects. You 
	crave money, you crave power, you crave prestige -- you crave for the world. 
	Then you change. You get fed up with it, you are bored. Or, you have 
	attained whatsoever you craved, and now you are not fulfilled; you feel 
	frustrated. You start a new craving. 
	
	 Now you crave the divine. You crave moksha, nirvana, liberation -- now you 
	crave for the god. The object has changed; you have not changed -- your 
	craving remains the same. It was running after prestige and power and money. 
	Now it is running after divine power. It is running after the ultimate, 
	moksha, the absolute freedom, but the craving is there. 
	
	 Ordinarily, religious people go on changing their objects of desire. Desire 
	remains the same, unchanged. And it is not the objects which create the 
	problem; it is the desire, the craving, which creates the problem. Tantra 
	says it is futile to go on changing objects. It is wasting time and life and 
	energy. Changing objects won't help -- drop craving. Don't crave. Don't 
	crave for freedom, because craving is bondage. Don't crave for the divine, 
	because craving is the world. Don't crave for the inner, because craving is 
	the outer. So it is not a question of transcending this craving or that -- 
	simply drop craving. Don't crave, don't desire. Just be yourself. 
 
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	 When you don't desire, what happens? When you don't crave, what happens? 
	You are non-moving; all movement ceases. You are not in a hurry to reach 
	anywhere. You are not serious. There is no hope and there is no frustration. 
	You don't expect anything; nothing can frustrate you. There is no desire; 
	you cannot be a failure. Of course, there is not going to be any success 
	either. 
	
	 When you are not craving, not desiring, what happen? You are simply left 
	alone, moving nowhere. There is no goal, because craving creates the goal. 
	There is no future, because craving creates the future. There is no time, 
	because craving needs time to move. Time stops. Future drops. And when there 
	is no craving, mind drops, because mind is nothing but craving, and because 
	of that craving you have to plan and think and dream and project. 
	
	 When there is no craving, everything drops. You are simply in your purity. 
	You exist without moving anywhere; inside, all ripples disappear. The ocean 
	remains, but the waves are not there. This is what divineness is for tantra.
	
	
	 So look at it in this way: craving is the barrier. Don't think of the 
	object, otherwise you will be deceived by yourself. You will change one 
	object  for another, and then time will be wasted. Again you will get 
	frustrated, and then you will again change the object. You can go on 
	changing objects infinitely, unless you realize that it is not the object 
	which creates the problem, it is your craving. But craving is subtle and the 
	object is gross. The object can be seen, and craving can be seen only when 
	you go deep down and meditate upon it; otherwise, craving is not seen. 
	
	 You can marry a woman or a man with great dreams and hope, and the greater 
	the dreams, the greater the hope, the greater will be the frustration. An 
	ordinary arranged marriage cannot be such a failure as a love-marriage is 
	bound to be, because with an ordinary arranged marriage there is not much 
	hope, there is not much dreaming. It is business-like; there is no romance, 
	no poetry. There is no peak to it; you are travelling on plain ground. So 
	arranged marriages never fail. They cannot fail, because there is no point. 
	How can you fail in an arranged marriage? You were never on a height, so you 
	cannot fall. Love-marriages fail. Only love-marriages can fail, because with 
	a great poetry, with a great dreaming force, they come up. They touch 
	heights, on the waves you rise high, and then you will have to fall down.
	
	
	 So old countries, those who have knowledge, experience, they have come to 
	settle for arranged marriages. They don't talk about love-marriages. In 
	India they never talk about love-marriages. They have also tried in the 
	past, and then they felt that a love-marriage is going to be a failure. 
	Because you expect too much, you will be frustrated, and the proportion of 
	frustration will be the same. Whatsoever you desire and dream gives you 
	expectations -- they cannot be fulfilled. 
	
	 You marry a woman; if it is a love-marriage, you expect much. Then you get 
	frustrated. The moment you get frustrated, immediately you start thinking 
	about another woman. So if you say to your wife, `I am not interested in any 
	other woman,' and she feels you have become indifferent to her, you cannot 
	convince her -- it is impossible, it is unnatural. The moment you become 
	indifferent to your wife, the wife knows instinctively that you have become 
	interested in someone else. 
	
	 This is how mind functions. You become aware of the woman that you have 
	married, and you feel the frustration is coming because of her -- `This was 
	not a right choice.' This is ordinary logic. `This was not a right choice. 
	This woman is not for me. I have chosen a wrong partner, so the conflict has 
	arisen.' Now you will try to find another partner. 
	
	 You can go on that way ad infinitum. You may marry all the women on the 
	earth, and still you will be thinking in the same way -- that `This woman is 
	not right for me'. And the subtle craving which is creating all trouble is 
	not seen. It is subtle. The woman is seen; the craving is not seen. It is 
	not the woman or the man who is frustrating you; it is your craving, your 
	desire, which is frustrating you. 
	
	 If you can come to understand this, you have become wise. If you go on 
	changing objects, you are ignorant. If you can come to feel yourself and the 
	craving which is creating the whole thing, you have become wise. Then you 
	don't go on changing one object for another; you simply drop the very effort 
	to possess, to desire, to crave. 
	
	 The moment this craving is not there, the whole world becomes divine. It 
	has always been so, only your eyes were not open to see. Your eyes were 
	filled with craving. Eyes filled with craving, the divine appears as the 
	world. Open eyes, unfilled, unclouded by craving, the world appears as the 
	divine. 
	
	 The world and the divine are not two things, not two existences, but two 
	ways of looking at the same thing, two approaches to the same thing, two 
	outlooks, two types of perception. One perception clouded with craving, 
	another perception unclouded with craving. If you can look unclouded, and 
	your eyes are not filled with tears of frustration and dreams of hope, there 
	is nothing like the world; only the divine exists -- existence is divine. 
	This is what tantra means. And when tantra says transcend both, tantra is 
	not concerned with either this or that -- tantra is concerned only with 
	transcendence, so there is no craving. 
	
	 AND WHAT IS IT THAT GOES BEYOND BOTH? That cannot be said, because the 
	moment anything is said about it, it comes within the two. Whatsoever can be 
	said about God will be false, just because it is said. 
	
	 Language is dualistic. There is no non-dual language; cannot be. Language 
	is meaningful only because of dualism. I  say `light'; immediately in your 
	mind bubbles up the word `darkness' or `black'. I say `day', and immediately 
	in your mind comes `night'. I say `love', and just behind it is hidden 
	`hate'. If I say light and there is no darkness, how will you define it?j
	
	
	 We can only define words because of their opposite terms. I say light, and 
	if you ask me what light is, I say that which is not darkness. If someone 
	asks you what mind is, you say that which is not body. If someone asks what 
	body is, you have to say that which is not mind. All terms are circular, so, 
	basically meaningless, because neither you know anything about the mind, nor 
	do you know anything about the body. When I ask about the mind, you define 
	it with the body, and the body is undefined. When I ask you about the body, 
	you define it with the mind, which is itself undefined. 
	
	 This is good as a game. Language is good as a game -- language is a game. 
	But we never feel that the whole thing is absurd, circular; and nothing is 
	defined, so how can you define anything? When I ask about the mind, you 
	bring in the body -- and the body is undefined. With an indefined term, you 
	define mind. And then when I ask, `What do you mean by body?' you have to 
	define it with the mind. This is absurd -- but there is no other way. 
	
	 Language exists through the opposite, so language is dualistic. It cannot 
	be otherwise. So nothing can be said about the non-dual experience. 
	Whatsoever is said will be wrong. It can be indicated, symbols can be used 
	for it, but silence is the best. That which can be said about it is silence. 
	Everything else can be defined, talked about -- not the ultimate. You can 
	know it, taste it, you can be it, but nothing can be said about it. Only 
	negatively we can say something, but only negatively. We cannot say what 
	that is; we can only say what that is not. 
	
	 The whole mystic tradition is simply using negative terms for it. If you 
	ask what that ultimate is, they will say, `That ultimate is not this, not 
	that. It is neither life nor death. It is neither light nor darkness. It is 
	neither near nor far. It is neither I nor you.' They will say in this way, 
	but this makes no sense. 
	
	 Drop craving and you come to know it face to face. And the experience is so 
	deep and individual, non-verbal, non-linguistic, that even when you come to 
	know it, you cannot say anything about it. You will become silent. Or, at 
	the most, you can say this that I am saying. You can say, `Nothing can be 
	said about it.' 
	
	 Then what is the point of talking  so much? Then why do I go on saying 
	something  to you if nothing can be said? Just to bring you to that point 
	where nothing can be said. Just to push you to that abyss where you can take 
	a jump out of language. Up to that point, language can be helpful. Up to the 
	point when you take the jump, language can be helpful, but the moment you 
	have taken the jump, it is silence, it is beyond language. 
	
	 So I can push you to the very end of the world through language -- to the 
	very end of the world -- but not a single inch into the divine through 
	language. But this pushing you up to the very end will be helpful, because 
	then you can see with your own eyes that there is this blissful abyss 
	beyond. And then that beyond will call you by itself; then the beyond will 
	attract you; then the beyond will become a magnet, a pull. It is impossible 
	then for you to come back, to retreat. The abyss is so enchanting -- the 
	abyss of silence -- that before you know, you will have taken a jump. 
	
	 That's why I go on talking, knowing well that all that I am saying will not 
	help you to know it. But it will help you to take a jump. It is 
	methodological. It will look contradictory, paradoxical, if I say that all 
	language that I am using, or that the mystics have ever used, is to bring 
	you to the temple of silence; to force you into silence, to call you unto 
	silence. It looks paradoxical. Then why use language? I can use silence 
	also, but then you will not understand. 
	
	 When I have to talk to madmen. I have to use a mad language. It is because 
	of you I am using language. It is not that anything can be expressed by it; 
	only your inner chattering can be destroyed by it. It is just as if you have 
	a thorn in your foot -- another thorn can pull it out. The other one is also 
	a thorn. Your mind is filled with words, with thorns. What I am trying to do 
	is to pull those words out of you. What I am using are also words. You are 
	filled with poison. What I am giving you is again a dose of poison, just an 
	antidote. It is also a poison. But a thorn can pull out another thorn -- 
	then they both can be thrown. 
	
	 When I have talked to you to the point where you are ready to be silent, 
	throw all that I have said to you; it is useless, it is even dangerous to 
	carry it. When you have come to realize that language is useless, dangerous, 
	that inner verbalization is the only barrier, and when you are ready to be 
	silent, then remember well -- don't carry whatsoever I have said to you. 
	Because the truth cannot be said, and all that can be said cannot be true. 
	Be unburdened of it. 
	
	 The last thing Zarathustra said to his disciples is very beautiful. He had 
	taught them. He had given them glimpses. He had stirred their souls. He had 
	challenged them to the ultimate adventure. The last thing he said to them 
	was, `Now I am leaving you. Now beware of Zarathustra.' 
	
	 So they asked, `What are you saying? Beware of Zarathustra? You are our 
	teacher, our master, our only hope.' 
	
	 And Zarathustra said, `All that I have said to you, now beware of it. Don't 
	cling to me, otherwise I will become a bondage to you.' 
	
	 When one thorn has pulled out your thorn, throw the other one also with it. 
	When I have prepared you to move into silence, then beware of me. Then 
	whatsoever I have said has to be thrown; it is rubbish, of no use. It has 
	utility only up to the point before you are ready to take a jump into 
	silence. Nothing can be said about that which transcends both. Only this 
	much can be said -- and this is too much really. If you can understand, this 
	is enough to indicate towards it. 
	
	 I am saying this -- that if your mind becomes totally vacant of words, you 
	will know  it. When you are not burdened with thoughts, you will realize it, 
	because it is already there. It is not something which is going to happen; 
	it has already happened within you. You are just an expression of it. But 
	you are so much engrossed, involved, with thoughts, with clouds, that you 
	miss the key. You are too concentrated on the clouds; you have forgotten the 
	sky. Allow the clouds to disperse, and the sky has always been there just 
	waiting for you. The beyond is waiting for you. Just drop the duality and it 
	is there. 
	
	 Question 4 
	
	 YOU HAVE SAID THAT ONE WHO IS IN FEAR CANNOT LOVE, NOR CAN HE REACH 
	GODHOOD. BUT HOW IS ONE TO GET RID OF HIS FEAR ACCORDING TO TANTRA? 
	
	  
	
	 Why do you want to get rid of fear? Or have you become afraid of fear? If 
	you have become afraid of fear, this is a new fear. This is how mind goes on 
	creating the same pattern again and again. I say, `Don't desire and then you 
	will reach the divine.' So you ask, `Really, if we don't desire, then will 
	we reach the divine?' You have started desiring the divine. 
	
	 I say to you, `If there is fear, love cannot be,' so you become afraid of 
	fear. You ask, `How can one get rid of fear?' This is again a fear, and more 
	dangerous than the first one, because the first one was natural; the second 
	one is unnatural. And it is so subtle that you are not aware of what you are 
	asking -- how to get rid of fear? 
	
	 The question is not of getting rid of anything; the question is only of 
	understanding. Understand fear, what it is, and don't try to get rid of it, 
	because the moment you start trying to get rid of anything, you are not 
	ready to understand it -- because the mind which thinks to get rid of is 
	already closed. It is not open to understand, it is not sympathetic. It 
	cannot contemplate quietly; it has already decided. Now the fear has become 
	the evil, the sin, so get rid of it. Don't try to get rid of anything.
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